Monday, August 4, 2008

Jonathan Kay summaries the pro-life position

As summaries of the pro-life position go this is useful regardless of where you stand on the issue:

Joseph Ben-Ami of the Canadian Centre for Policy Studies has just come out with a concise, lucid paper entitled Why Canada Needs An abortion Policy. None of what Mr. Ben-Ami writes will be entirely new to anyone who's followed this issue closely in recent years. But he does a nice job of bringing together the arguments for an abortion law into a short essay of a few thousand words.

See here:

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/08/03/jonathan-kay-on-why-canada-needs-an-abortion-policy-a-cheat-sheet-with-8-good-arguments.aspx

14 comments:

Joanne (True Blue) said...

I agree. It is an excellent summary.

Anonymous said...

Joanne, you would...

The man is a right-wing nut.
I'm surprise that Mr. Morton is giving him kudos - I suspect the only reason is because he is Jewish.
The man opposes SSM, and is close to Dinosaur Day and Harper,,,
The paper itself is mired in poor semantics and far from neutral. He he were my student, he'd fail miserably...

Austin said...

Sure Joanne...an excellent summary completely absent of any thought as to the reasons why abortion is presented as an option.

And Jason, a person can believe anything they want, so long as they are capable of applying the law in a fair way. That is, afterall, what lawyers are supposed to be good at, instead of catcalling (which is a CPC trait). And if you *do* decide to engage in that, at least be good at it.

Austin

Joanne (True Blue) said...

I'm surprise that Mr. Morton is giving him kudos - I suspect the only reason is because he is Jewish.

Wow.

He he were my student, he'd fail miserably...

"He he"? Are you talking about an English course?

James C Morton said...

Oh my -- well, I thought it was a good summary -- just to give the other side here is a link to a pro-choice page:

http://www.prochoiceconnection.com/aic02.html

Joanne (True Blue) said...

Thanks for that list too, James.

I am hoping that eventually people deal with this issue in a less emotional way, and attempt to find some kind of compromise.

Anonymous said...

I am hoping that eventually people deal with this issue in a less emotional way, and attempt to find some kind of compromise.
If your moral code says that abortion is verbotten, then you should not get an abortion.
Mine says that women can choose to have an abortion.

Now stop trying to impose your morality on the rest of us. Simple, no?

Anonymous said...

cherniak wtf
i wasn't aware Joanne was " Now stop trying to impose your morality on the rest of us."

Austin
"Sure Joanne...an excellent summary completely absent of any thought as to the reasons why abortion is presented as an option."

would you Austin like to present the reasons why we should not have an abortion law like every other country

fh

Austin said...

would you Austin like to present the reasons why we should not have an abortion law like every other country

Did I say and suggest anything to that effect?

You cannot come up with a law that is fair without understanding the other POV.

And this is precisely why there is and has never been debate on the issue, and only vacant posturing and grandstanding.

Austin

Austin said...

Oh my -- well, I thought it was a good summary -- just to give the other side here is a link to a pro-choice page:

http://www.prochoiceconnection.com/aic02.html


Simply throwing out a link which does not address the *reasons* why abortion is an option is not providing the "other side".

If we are to create a just society or "christianize" our environment, then our goal should be to minimize the conditions that lead to this exertion of "choice" (which is in fact an expression of an absence of choice).

Austin

James C Morton said...

Austin,

I totally agree that we, as a society, have to make it a realistic option for a pregnant woman who sees no choice, to have a choice.

j

Austin said...

Yes.

But let me be absolutely clear:

We cannot put in place laws that demand "fairness" (fetal rights) when we as a society are incapable or unwilling to provide the conditions that allow "fairness" to exist (women's rights).

So this means increased child benefits, support for single mothers and removing the stigma associated with single motherhood, increased support for sex education, enacting laws that prevent women from being punished professionally for the choice to have children early in their careers, increased mat and pat leave...all things that reduce the burden of that "mistake" and remove this "choice" between life and death that we as a society demand from women.

Austin

Joanne (True Blue) said...

And this is precisely why there is and has never been debate on the issue, and only vacant posturing and grandstanding.

And which of those are you doing right now, Austin?

Austin said...

I dunno...why don't you enlighten me Joanne? You are the most skilled in these regards, so are probably the most qualified to judge.

Suggest your solution to the issue. Is that asking too much? Oh right...look at whom I'm directing this request to...a supporter of the group of political hacks who with their combined intellectual might to address the climate change debate, came up with Mr. Splotchy.

Austin