Such conspiracies are possible -- the Soviet Union and the Nazis provide numerous examples -- but, leaving aside the broader implausibility of Canadian police becoming vandals -- are the police of various services who worked at the G20 such a group? None of them would leak the story to the mainstream media? No one, out of all the media, took a picture of the police getting ready to torch their own cars?
I am sure there were some undercover police. And perhaps some of them behaved badly - perhaps -- but the idea of a conspiracy is overwrought.
Joe O'Connor, National Post
Saturday, Jul. 10, 2010

In the video, we see a skinny young man with shaggy hair and a well-kept beard. He is wearing a hooded sweatshirt. His eyes are sunken. He looks like he needs a good night's sleep.
The man fidgets with a rubber band while he speaks, telling the story about what he witnessed that day in Toronto when the storefront windows were smashed and the police cars burned, telling a camera what he believes to be the truth.
"There were two textbook, scrawny, meth-head-anarchists, but with them were two huge, 'roided-out cops — agent provocateurs — with their police boots on and all wearing masks and stuff," he says. "They led the charge and we heard explosions. I don't know if it was them, but odds are, they lit a cop car on fire."
Others are making similar claims in assorted corners of the Web, via YouTube clips with damning titles, such as "G20 Police Provocateur Wrecks Cruiser," on blogs and message boards and in articles often linked to sites that promise to reveal the unspoken "truth."
Questions are posed, ''evidence'' proffered, conclusions tidily reached. The conspiracy is obvious, they say. It is right there for all to see, if only we would dare to look. The G20 riots were an inside job. It was police, posing as agent provocateurs, who trashed downtown Toronto to muzzle legitimate protest and justify the summit's billion-plus-dollar price tag.
Dr. Michael Shermer, the editor of Skeptic magazine, a publication dedicated to debunking conspiracy theories, urban legends and other fictions some individuals embrace as fact, is, as you might imagine, mostly skeptical.
"If we go back to Roman, Machiavellian times, you see political manipulations that happen high up and so conspiracies really do happen. People really do plot and conspire, and so we can't dismiss these things out of hand," Dr. Shermer says.
"It is like when people say: The government lies. Well, no kidding they lie. But the fact that they lie about some things doesn't mean everything they say is a lie."
For the skinny young man in the video, and for a cacophony of voices on the Internet, preconceptions are brandished as proofs. A burly member of the Black Bloc becomes a "roided-out" cop bent on destruction; the thick-soled shoes of a protester become the jackboots of a government provocateur (more on that later); police cars abandoned on Toronto's streets by officers fearing for their safety become sacrificial lambs conveniently parked in the path of the mob to provide a "controlled and complicit" mainstream media with fiery photo opportunities.
To the conspiracy-minded, there are monsters under every bed. And if you can't see them, then you are simply one of the sheep. Conspiracy theorists operate under a "confirmation bias," meaning they look for evidence supporting what they already believe to be true while ignoring any evidence proving it isn't.
"In other words," Dr. Shermer says, "you remember the hits and you forget the misses. You notice the connections and ignore the non-connections and then, once you have it in mind that, 'OK, I think there is a conspiracy theory here,' then all you have to do is open the newspaper and start connecting the dots."
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Ever hear of Montreal playwrite David Fennario?
Either way, this is a guy who has known anarchists for many years now. Here's what he had to say on the subject; the rep of my union local at work says the same thing,
http://sistersagesmusings.ca/2010/07/04/david-fennario-on-g20-black-block-ck-takes-a-trip-down-memory-lane-with-some-help-from-h
I'm sure you would disagree with much of what he and his friends say. That's fine. Most do. But, one thing,if it were really types like the company he keeps, I know Dave well enough that he would steer clear of the subject of Black bloc. He may get into the ant-capitalist rant, but would steer clear of questions as to whodoneit.
The more that comes out; the more that just doesn't add up.
sometimes I think you are a conservative like michael Ig....gramps
I agree it wasn't a conspiracy because it would be too risky to ask for that level of multi-force cooperation. But might it have been a tactic used by a handful of plainclothes to help start things up and/or create better photo ops?
There were definitely many plainclothes officers there (I saw them in person and in several videos) and at least one was dressed in "black bloc" styling (again, clearly visible in at least 1 video on YouTube)
There is already a history of this in Canada so none of us can say at this point that we know all of the facts.
Disappointing, James. Superficial piece, exhibiting little critical thinking, no risk-benefit analysis, lack of research into historical precedent, no tactical outcome objective analysis, nor objective factual assessment of cause and effect of the specific incidents &/or situations.
move along here
nothing to see
we Liberals sure ain't gonna raise a rukus cause we might drop a few more point in a poll
I would not have even entertained the idea that these thugs could be undercover cops if it wasn't for the very explicit video of Montebello
http://www.vimeo.com/13097041
Anyway, I do agree that large conspiracies are hard to keep under wraps and the Montebello incident was likely a Surete experiment that went bad.
Some see 9/11 as a overt inside job. But there was no need for that. The US had many warnings of 9/11 - but they were ignored in order to create a "Pearl Harbor" incident, to launch a war on Iraq. (google "pnac pearl harbor").
The G20 cops allowed a few thugs dressed in black to stage a "hockey riot" (as is common in Montreal and Vancouver when they lose a Stanley Cup series).
Then the media compliantly blew this up to create consent for the largest mass arrest in CDN history.
Time for some leadership on the issue. All you are doing James, is providing cover for the coward who leads the Liberal party.
Some of these protestors are such cry babies. There isn't a single party that is supporting any of their crap ... while the NDP a bit, but barely. I'm mean come on, what doesn't add up? Some thugs burnt cars and destroyed people's businesses. They don't give a shit about anything but themselves. Thank goodness in modern times we understand you need to be tough on this creeps.
Conrad would have been much wordier in presenting the case for the whores.
I have never known a Lawyer who wouldn't represent his clients interests for a fee.
Certainly to the conspiracy-minded, there are monsters under every bed. Sometimes monsters are found hiding behind masks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S1nHvvkzvA
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