OTTAWA_ The gun registry has survived a critical vote_ but just barely.
MPs voted 153-151 today to kill a Conservative bill to scrap the program.
Wednesday, September 22, 2010
Gun registry survives
Of course all this means is that the argument will continue. The rational approach would be to work to address shortfalls in the legislation -- but that won't happen -- just rhetoric. (And yes, rhetoric from both sides).
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I am glad that the racist white male GUN NUTS lost today. HAHAHAHAHHA
Now we should charge anti-gun control racist white males with hate crimes and properly re-educate them about real Canadian values.
Long live Canada :)
They have been trying to fix (or deny them) the "shortfalls" for more than 15yrs.
Yes the arguement will continue.
Right now it is the status quo. People will pretend to register them and the cops will pretend to use it to wipe out bad guys and save lives.
Would most of you know the difference between "rhetoric" and facts?
I truely doubt it.
The registry is pretty much dead now anyway. You can't "fix" something that does nothing.
I belong to three different gun clubs. Nobody, I know has registered all their guns. My address in the licensing part is 24 Sussex drive and none of the "numbers" the government gave me match any of my firearms and can't be identified as belonging to me.
Yep....the registry saves lives and protects women.
I used to vote Liberal until the gun registry.......
Anybody ask the local criminal what they think of the gun registy?
Anyone?
Paul raises a good point.
These poor people (victims of crime) genuinely believe they have won something.
They have been exploited by this debate.
The irony here is that so many Liberals and NDP are smugly proclaiming this as some kind of victory, when it is anything but.
Not one of them has stopped to ask themselves why the Conservatives didn't simply do away with the long-gun registry using an Order in Council. No one could have stopped them, and no one would dare bring the government down over this issue either (particularly now, given the polling numbers for the various parties). Allen Rock used that same OIC tactic to prohibit (and then *confiscate*, without compensation) more than a dozen different types of handguns, rifles and shotguns without going through the time-consuming process of pushing legislation through the House of Commons. So why go though the uncertainty of a vote...and why a private members bill?
Because they had much more to gain by doing it that way, of course. They have not only mollified their base ("hey, we tried...but the Liberals and NDP whipped their vote to defeat us!"), they have just secured another couple of million (or more) dollars in new donations from rural supporters...all of which will be used to buy more TV ads leading up to the next election. Nicely done.
Example of rhetoric....
"The gun registry only costs 4 million a year to operate".
Example of facts....
Costs
In 1995, the previous government told Parliament that the firearms program, most specifically the long-gun registry, would involve a net cost of just $2 million (Auditor General’s Report 2002, Chapter 10).
In May 2000, the previous government admitted that the costs had actually ballooned to at least $327 million (Auditor General’s Report 2002, Chapter 10).
By March 2005 the net cost of the firearms program was $946 million and by summer of 2006, costs had exceeded $1 billion. The Auditor General stated that Parliament was misinformed about many of these costs. (Auditor General’s Report 2006, Chapter 4).
Neither the costs incurred by provincial and territorial agencies in enforcing the legislation, nor the costs borne by Firearms owners and businesses to comply with the legislation have been calculated. (Auditor General’s Report 2002, Chapter 10).
Two Library of Parliament studies estimate that the enforcement and compliance costs are substantial, running into hundreds of millions of dollars. (Compliance Costs of Firearms Registration, 10 October 2003; and, Estimates of Some of the Costs of Enforcing the Firearms Act, 20 March 2003).
Crime Statistics
There are nearly 7 million registered long-guns in Canada. Yet of 2,441 homicides recorded in Canada since mandatory long-gun registration was introduced in 2003, fewer than 2 percent (47) were committed with rifles and shotguns known to have been registered. (Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics).
So on this issue would the Liberal party fall under rhetoric, or would they fall under facts....
Anyone?
ah, go shoot something, Paul, you'll feel better.
"Anybody ask the local criminal what they think of the gun registy?" - well, I guess there's no need to Paul, since you've been telling everyone at length, all over creation, and have just admitted that you & your friends are criminals for not abiding by the law to register your firearms properly.
"for not abiding by the law to register your firearms properly"
Well yesterday over 2 million gun owners who own guns not in the registry killed no one.....
Get over your fear.
Morton is involved in a "culture war" against the white male.
In Toronto where Morton lives, there are almost no white people left.
Morton and his 'progressive" friends will not stop the culture war until Canada is a third world country.
Progressives want the people of the world to live equally poor under a global government.
Make no mistake.
Canada as a country is finished.
In 100 years Canada will be an Asian country.
The numbers cannot hide this fact.
Whether it was gay marriage, gun control, abortion, or capital punishment, the people of Canada had no input into any of it.
@ Paul - I don't fear for myself: I fear for the friends & family of gun owners.
Because even among those with valid firearms licenses, an average of one person a month is formally accused of a firearms homicide committed that year (111 cases b/w 1997 and 2005 alone). (Source of data: StatCan's Homicide Survey, in tables an Breitkreuz' site at:
www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/2006_new/106.pdf
Of course, I realize the numbers aren't very high on this, yet, esp. in relation to the 2 million or so licensed firearms users, but that's because this is (still, despite the relentless efforts of some) Canada, and it has tghese gun control measures in place, and that's why I want to keep it that way.
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