Gunter is certainly correct that opponents of the registry resent the police support for the registry.
Unquestionably if the police chiefs had said “the registry is useless” last nights’ vote would have gone the other way.
That said, the gun registry is something that affects the police directly and they are going to be better placed to judge its value than anyone else. If they see value, well, why should they not say so? Usually the police chiefs help the “tough on crime” position (but not always – their views on drug offences are quite interesting); they shouldn’t be criticized when they don’t.
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18 comments:
What a difference between the USA and Canada.
In Canada, the gun registry survives with the winners saying "victims and the public are safer".
In Florida just yesterday this happened.
Davenport, Florida - "She was barking viciously," said Davenport resident Cheryl Santos about her watch dog midday Tuesday.
Bella's big bark alerted the Santos family that something was wrong, so when Santos took Bella into the backyard, "I saw a man laying on the ground, full of blood."
The trail of blood started inside Santos' next door neighbor's house.
Polk Sheriff Grady Judd says the husband and wife were sleeping in the home at the time when two intruders broke through the bedroom window.
Deputies say the husband was able to grab his loaded gun near the bed and open fire, hitting one who was masked, once in the head. The other was hit in the torso.
Both are teenagers.
Otilio Rubio, 15, is in critical condition at Lakeland Regional Medical Center. The other injured teen, William Murphy, 16, was shot in the torso and is in stable condition.
Judd says the homeowner called 911 and responding Davenport police and Polk Sheriff's deputies took the injured suspects into custody and found two other suspects hiding behind a nearby fence.
Judd says the Polk County State Attorney's Office is also investigating but, it makes no difference if you're armed or not if you break into someone's house violently, wearing a mask, the homeowner has the right to protect himself and their family. They don't have to take the time to determine whether or not you're armed, because that could be the second that could get them killed as well.
In Canada these innocent homeowners would be charged with manslaughter by the police who support a gun control registry.
In the USA, the police chief says its legal to protect your family, all the while supporting the 2nd Amendment.
Self defense is natural law. Not being able to protect your family because some progressives don't want you to is downright ignorant.
I suppose that if you asked the chiefs that they could have the registry OR $100 million ($4 million annual cost is not accurate) to spend on other initiatives the answer would be different.
If I ask you if you want garbage pickup twice a week you might say yes. If I tell you your property taxes will have to go up 20% to pay for it instead of having the tab picked up by some employer surcharge you'd probably say no .
You are right that the support by chiefs was pivotal but so were a lot of other things.
Both the NDP and Lib leaders have acknowledged that changes are needed to "fix" the registry. Whenever (if ever?)those changes are announced or proposed you will see more people protesting the registry. I don't think it will fly; Chiefs support or not.
Yeah, why believe the police or medical groups who are in favor of the LGR.
Harper's bunch are feebs.
Anony 9:18 needs to loosen the tinfoil. He just cited an article where someone shot a teenager as a defense.
That's just pathetic.
further to Gene's comment:
yeah, comments like his are why so many of us are so disturbed so by the registry's abolittionists, and why it bolsters our determination to keep it:
how many Cndn laws were broken there, in not only keeping a loaded shotgun beside the bed but using it against unarmed teenagers: safe storage req's keeping the gun under lock & key _and_ sep. from the ammo, and our assault laws forbid unreasonable force. Yet the gun nuts who'd pt. to an e.g., like this keep portraying themselves as totally law-abiding.
Down with the long gun registry. A long step on the road to a police state. A vote for the NDP is a wasted vote. Layton sees himself as a liberal cabinet minister. So much for trying to change the system from within.
I didn't see in the article that they were unarmed. An assumption that especially when the intruders are wearing a mask is not one I would make.
The story however, is irrelevent to the issue of a LGR. The incident would have taken place anyways.
yeah, comments like his are why so many of us are so disturbed so by the registry's abolittionists, and why it bolsters our determination to keep it:
"how many Cndn laws were broken there, in not only keeping a loaded shotgun beside the bed but using it against unarmed teenagers: safe storage req's keeping the gun under lock & key _and_ sep. from the ammo, and our assault laws forbid unreasonable force. Yet the gun nuts who'd pt. to an e.g., like this keep portraying themselves as totally law-abiding."
I don't care about anything above other than the fact the family survived the home invasion.
Who cares about the thugs?
yeah, comments like his are why so many of us are so disturbed so by the registry's abolittionists, and why it bolsters our determination to keep it:
"how many Cndn laws were broken there, in not only keeping a loaded shotgun beside the bed but using it against unarmed teenagers: safe storage req's keeping the gun under lock & key _and_ sep. from the ammo, and our assault laws forbid unreasonable force. Yet the gun nuts who'd pt. to an e.g., like this keep portraying themselves as totally law-abiding."
I don't care about anything above other than the fact the family survived the home invasion.
Who cares about the thugs?
"Judd says the Polk County State Attorney's Office is also investigating but, it makes no difference if you're armed or not if you break into someone's house violently, wearing a mask, the homeowner has the right to protect himself and their family. They don't have to take the time to determine whether or not you're armed, because that could be the second that could get them killed as well. "
Unless you're accusing the Polk sheriff of not being law, I fail to understand your logic.
You say that a police chief who believes in the right to self defense is not law-abiding?
Are you mentally ill or challenged?
"That said, the gun registry is something that affects the police directly and they are going to be better placed to judge its value than anyone else. If they see value, well, why should they not say so? "
As a lawyer the author should know some stuff about this phrase "conflict of interest"
The "police" who support the registry are tied to it by
m-o-n-e-y.....
the firm that looks after the computer software donates large amounts of money to the Police Chiefs (CAPC)
Pretty bigazzed conflict if you ask me....one that would get tossed in the court of law.
"In Canada these innocent homeowners would be charged with manslaughter by the police who support a gun control registry.
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Self defense is natural law. Not being able to protect your family because some progressives don't want you to is downright ignorant."
Self defence is a defence in Canada too genius. Why don't you look up sections 35-37 of the Criminal Code and get back to us.
"the firm that looks after the computer software donates large amounts of money to the Police Chiefs (CAPC)"
They donated a bunch of tickets to a Celine Dion concert. It was something in the range of 115 thousand dollars, which amounts to just over $200/active member of the Association.
You are suggesting that over 400 police chiefs in this country somehow secretly conpsired to sell their support for the registry in order to get tickets to see Celine Dion.
Ha ha ha
Gayle;
I suspect Celine Dion supports the registry though....
"You are suggesting that over 400 police chiefs in this country somehow secretly conpsired to sell their support for the registry in order to get tickets to see Celine Dion.
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.....no.
I said it was a conflict of interest. What part did you not understand? Tis one of the reasons their own ethics director quit.
No. When you say the police who support the registry are tied to it by money, you are saying their support was paid for with said money.
Otherwise, why even bring it up? What does the conflict of interest have to do with this topic?
"Otherwise, why even bring it up? What does the conflict of interest have to do with this topic?"
It's a creditability thing...something you may not understand.
If you are attacking their credibility, you are suggesting they are lying. If you are suggesting they are lying, you are suggesting their motivation is the tickets.
No matter how much you try to spin this, you are saying over 400 police chiefs are willing to support the registry in exchange for Celine Dion tickets.
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