I guess he sees a wealthier part of the country than I do.
Seriously, he should come to south Oshawa -- the foodbank I visited yesterday -- there's poverty here. I see malnutrition in Nunavut -- people there remember mass starvation in the 1960s. Go to Church in Cape Dorset -- the prayers focus on having enough food for the winter. And those prayers are not pro forma.
Canada is a wealthy country but we still have poverty.
Poverty amongst plenty.
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Can you define poverty? I ask because apparently 10% of BC children are living in poverty. Does poverty mean no cell phone? Again I ask because many of the people at the food bank have cell phones. It seems to me that starving in Nunavut is poverty. Having to make a decision between a cell phone or cheerios for your kids (and choosing the cell phone) is just stupidity.
@therat
You should get out more often.
The cell phone is often an essential piece of equipment for getting out of poverty. A person can be available for interviews and employment because they can take incoming calls. It is possible to get a prepaid plan without a credit check and it can cost as little as $10 per month. (Check petrocanada mobility etc.) An address, email account, and a telephone number are essentials today.
Perhaps you'd prefer the poor use pay phones? (Are there any left?) You know they can't get landlines.
Incidentally I'm in the Durham riding, just north of Oshawa. There are 4,000 lone parent families in our riding 75% of them are headed by women. Care to guess how many of them "poor"? (Check statscan)
p2p
Featherheads?!?!
Check Stats Can for what? The calculate a low income cut-off, not poverty. The LICO is a measure of people living below a certain percentage of the average income. If everyone got a 100% raise the LICO would still calculate the same number of people below that average - that's not a measure of poverty.
The definition of poverty in Canada has become nothing more than a joke played on people who really live in poverty in the third world. If you want to discuss low incomes or something that's fine but to use a loaded word like poverty to describe a family that uses cell phones, has cable TV, and whose children are obese is outrageous.
What Chris Alexander said was:
poverty in Canada does not exist at the same levels as in Afghanistan. Yes there are poor Canadians, but we spend billions on efforts to help them, and you simply can’t equate the problems here with those in Afghanistan...
As Kelly McPharland reports:
"It’s about as dishonest and distorted a claim as could be concocted by a hyper-partisan, name-calling political party."
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/04/06/liberals-promise-greater-honesty-except-on-their-own-web-site/
@therat
You seem to have all the answers, so why not share? I asked you how many poor there might be in Durham. Tell us how you judge.
How do you, Mr. Rat, define poverty?
What you've served up is a canard. Here's what StatsCan had to say about your confusion in 1999. "On Poverty and Low Income"
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/bsolc/olc-cel/olc-cel?lang=eng&catno=13F0027X
On "Fighting Poverty With Cell Phones" from the World Bank:
http://youthink.worldbank.org/issues/development/fighting-poverty-cell-phones
Are you an angry old man, rat? Can you be reasoned with or will you just throw more angry fact-free generalizations our way?
On the Hunger-Obesity paradox:
http://www.cuhi.utoronto.ca/seminars/supportingdocs/Steve%20Cummins_07.04.06.pdf
In the developed world there is a high correlation between obesity and poverty.
p2p
@Wilson
Here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncUtF2E7D8Y
You have not quoted Alexander correctly, nor has your source at the National Post.
Alexander uses the definition of poverty as "two dollars a day" of income and he uses the World Bank as his source.
In fact half the world's population lives on less than $2 per day. That statistic comes from the Population Reference Bureau.
http://www.prb.org/Journalists/PressReleases/2005/MoreThanHalftheWorldLivesonLessThan2aDayAugust2005.aspx
p2p
... and furthermore!
Sorry I made an error in my comment at 1:12. In the developed world it should read.
In the interest of transparency are you rat or wilson working for a conservative candidate? Are you being paid to blog?
I'm not.
p2p
James, you have succumbed to rose coloured glass disease, I used to have some grudging respect for you, but no more.
What anon at 4:35 said,
oh....
it seems the FULL version of that clip is on Youtube,
Liberals better take a good look at it.
That women yelling at Chris also went to Hollands office,
and she said Holland laughed at her.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/CanadaVotes/News/2011/04/06/17900571.html
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