Tuesday, April 12, 2011

Five years later, Conservatives see their ethical advantage slip away

I just watched the 2008 "Entitlements" Ad the Conservatives ran. It was a tough ad -- very effective -- and today, well, rather ironic.

Industry Minister Tony Clement figuring our how to dole out $50 million available for 32 projects. And the $50 million came from a requested $83 million to alleviate border congestion, something the government never told Parliament. As I recall Huntsville is not a border town. (But Windsor is -- maybe they could have gotten a new bridge -- something that would help locally and also the rest of Canada?)


10 comments:

Anonymous said...

Part of the problem is that Liberals still support their boondoggles. Ex; Dispite the $2B+ spent on a long gun registry (original est. cost 1/1000th of that) the Libs still defend it.

I don't think Canadians see the Libs as a better option.

Gene Rayburn said...

Id disagree with Anonymous. The long gun registry isnt a major part of my life and I actually have no problem with it: like plenty of Canadians do. Anony is being a bit disingenuous citing the LGR, which is not viewed in the same light as they have stated.

The problem that Anon refuses to address is that the Conservatives got elected on the promise to make Ottawa more accountable and more transparent. Rather, what we have is a government that has managed to erode their ethical advantage to the point where anonymous supporters of the government use distraction instead of addressing the issues but this is most likely because they realize the same thing deep down inside.

Something about a pipe and smoking it fits here for you Anonymous

Anonymous said...

Gene; You have no problem with the corruption of the LGR? Some would differ.

The gun registry is just one example of the corruption and scandal that the Libs left behind.

Adscam was not about funneling money to ridings. It was theft.As in millions missing and stolen.It may not be a major part of your life but for others it probably is.

The canoe museum stuff was more about sending favors to ridings.

Funding for healthcare could be another. It was eroded during the Chretien years partly because Lib supporters refused to do anything about it. The result was that we had a Liberal platform primarily centered on fixing a healthcare crisis caused by 11 years of Lib majority gov't.

The country has beeen badly regionalized. The terrible Lib numbers in Quebec (outside Montreal) and the West are due in part to neglect and abuse of those regions by Libs seeking power. Ignatieff has not even bothered to step foot in Alberta or SK. When (if) he does it will be big news.

Some of this stuff other people do have a problem with. I suspect a lot of people.

Gene Rayburn said...

Changing the goalposts again Anonymous. You are basing your response on your opinions & transposing them onto Canadians without any evidence of proof.

Plus, you continue to refuse to discuss the point of the post. The subject is the conservatives erosion of an ethical advantage. Perhaps your refusal to discuss the issue & your willingness to obfuscate could interpreted as agreement with the discussion. Pointing out that someone else did it to isn't a defense, rather an attempt to look like you're right by fighting a straw man.

As for the LGR I was trying to point out that you don't actually speak for a majority of Canadians. The LGR is a contentious item and frankly irrelevant to the current subject. If you don't have a defense Anon that's fine, but that attempt was weak.

So please try to stay on topic and defend the Conservatives; though I suspect from you responses you have none.

The Mound of Sound said...

Harper illustrates the distinction between sanctimonious and ethical. He's long on the first, decidedly short on the last.

There are genuinely ethical Tories and they don't count Harper & Co. among their ranks. Some share the view that Harper with his unaccountability, secrecy and manipulation presents a real danger to Canadian democracy. I'm talking about veteran Tories, people who have been party insiders since the 70's.

Steve transformed the Government of Canada into the Harper Government, his own personal feifdom and he's treated the public service as his own too, not the Canadian public's. He's gagged the Canadian Forces, he's gagged the public service. He's taken them out of service to the country and harnessed them into service to himself.

Anonymous said...

The cons have mastered the 'art' of giving a prepared answer regardless of the questions asked.They manage to politic whatever the situation and most people hear only the answer given but hardly ever the questions asked. Harper is the epitome of this ; just watch this in operation during tonight'd debate.

Anonymous said...

Gene;
No ,Not changing the goalposts. I just don't take ethics lessons from Liberals.

Gene Rayburn said...

Anonymous I'm not giving you ethics lessons I am just pointing out that you refuse to discuss the topic. Obfuscation isn't a defense Anon. Changing the goalposts is a valid description of what you're doing. The sour grape ending proves me point

Dennis Buchanan said...

Anon, the continuing references to Adscam are extremely misleading: Following the Gomery inquiry, an Application for Judicial Review, and the AG's unsuccessful appeal to the Federal Court of Appeal, it's hard to say that any misconduct by the political figures was more significant than failing to be on guard against fraud. The fraud was by bureaucrats and private actors. ~$3.75 million was allocated questionably. Not small change, but not a significant portion of a federal budget, and really put into context by the fact that it's barely more than a quarter of what the inquiry cost (without taking into account the subsequent judicial review and appeal therefrom). And significantly less than some of the rather questionable allocations of funds made by the Tories.

The gun registry...yes the cost was a boondoggle. No question. But that argument can't be a reason to scrap it. The ongoing cost is quite nominal, and scrapping it won't bring back the $2 billion implementation cost. (In fact, given its level of integration, I wonder if scrapping it might create additional significant costs.)

In the mean time, we have a billion dollar summit - Tory forecast: $179.4 million (not to mention what actually happened at the summit which is reminiscent of the October crises), and a military expenditure which the Tories insist will only be $15 billion but which the Parliamentary Budget Officer and American defence analysts estimate will be close to double the forecast...

And you talk about regionalization, blaming it on the Liberals' failure to reach out to Tory strongholds, as if the Tories are themselves running a national campaign. Quite the contrary, they are running a riding-by-riding campaign, pumping public money into ridings they might lose, and focusing their campaign efforts on the ridings they might gain.

Harper talks about the high road. But there's no question: He isn't actually on it.

The Mound of Sound said...

And if it's political corruption you wish to discuss, take a look at Harper's political advisor and the $15-million boondoggle the PM set up for him at the University of Calgary.

http://thetyee.ca/News/2011/04/27/CarsonOilSands/

The sponsorship scandal is dwarfed by the Harper/Carson shenanigans on a scale of not less than four to one.