Tuesday, October 25, 2011

Criminals don’t use long guns, Tories say in scrapping registry

This is odd -- I have done a number of murder and attempt murder cases and only one involved a handgun...

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14 comments:

Anonymous said...

I also believe those 4 police officers that were gunned down at a farm in Alberta were shot with a rifle.

Anonymous said...

The headline is wrong and deliberately so I'd suggest. No one said that.

James; Was the gun in your case registered?

Kirbycairo said...

NEWS FLASH - The Tories have ABSOLUTELY no interest in the facts.

That is all there is to say.

Anonymous said...

The registry is symbolic of the Liberal party. Corrupt and incompetent.

The registry could have survived if those who supported it demanded it be run efficiently and coherently. For whatever reason they chose to ignore the obvious shortcomings.

istvan said...

I don't get your point.What were the other weapons?Bats,zap straps,knives.Please give some contex.Thanks.

ridenrain said...

Ideologically driven boondoggle from day one.

sharonapple88 said...

Facts about the registry.

Of the last 18 police officers killed in the line of duty, as of August 2010, number killed by long guns: 14 (78%)

Since 1995, when the gun registry became law, until 2009, the reduction in homicides by long guns: 52%

Spousal homicides caused by shootings, 2000-2009: 167 (23%)

Reduction in the rate for spousal homicides involving firearms from 1980 to 2009: -74% from nearly 3 per million spouses in 1980 to less than 1 per million spouses in 2009, according to Statistics Canada

Share of firearm-related spousal homicides involving a long gun: 50% (The rate of long-gun spousal suicides dropped about 80% between 1983 and 2009.)

Number of firearm-related suicides involving a long-gun, 2004: 475 ( 5.4 times the number of suicides with handguns)

Change in number of firearm-related suicides since the introduction of stricter gun laws in 1991 (as of 2009): -43%

Change in number of firearm-related suicides since the introduction of the Firearms Act in 1995 (as of 2009): -23%

Increased likelihood that a home where there are firearms is the scene of a suicide, than a home without a gun: 4.8 times (based on a 1992 U.S. study in the New England Journal of Medicine)

The Rat said...

Here's a fact: The Liberals intention with the registry was never the protection of society, it was strictly about gun confiscation.

"Let us not hear that (registration) is a prelude to the confiscation by the government of hunting rifles and shotguns," Canadian Justice Minister Allan Rock said in Clintonesque tones on Feb. 16, 1995. "There is no reason to confiscate legally owned firearms."

Ten months after Rock's remarks, Parliament passed the Canadian Firearms Act, and confiscating legally owned firearms is precisely the first thing the new law did. The first of three major provisions to go into effect banned private ownership of well more than half of Canada's legally registered pistols. Any handgun of .32 or .25 caliber and any handgun with a barrel length of 105 mm (4.14") or less--more than 553,000 legally registered handguns--became illegal with the stroke of a pen.

Pistol owners, of course, had been promised that registration would never lead to confiscation when Canada's national handgun registry was enacted in 1934. When the newer law passed five years ago, they were given three options: sell their handguns to any dealer or individual legally qualified to buy them (not a real option because the number of potential buyers was so small); render them inoperable; or surrender them to the government without compensation."


(That was from my fave gun site, Canadiangunnutz.com)

Further, the original intention of the Liberals to "have gun owners pay for the registry" was punitive and intended to force average gun owners to get rid of their guns. The proposed $25/per gun/per year "fee" was ridiculous. For me, that's for than $250 a year for guns that aren't worth that much. That was, of course, the idea.

Uncompensated confiscation, theft really, of legally owned private property was the goal. It failed, and god help anyone who tries the registry approach again.

Anonymous said...

sharonapple88's stats are all over the place. There is no context to any of them for starters.

Some seem to suggest the registry is useless (it clearly is not preventing deaths to officers). Some are irrelevent (U.S. stats where the gun culture is profoundly different).

References to suicide is misguided. Hanging is the most common method but guns are generally used by men. Suicide rates over all are steady.There is no connection between the LGR and suicide.

Generally crime across the board is down. The dropping rates may be coincidental and are probably related to an aging demographic.

We have had a registry of handguns for decades in this country. During that time gun crimes have gone up and down.

The debate is no longer about stats anyways; It is about government accountability. Canadians have lost trust in gov't on this file as others have stated.

sharonapple88 said...

Some seem to suggest the registry is useless (it clearly is not preventing deaths to officers).

It does show that the assertion that criminals do not use long guns is untrue.

Sadly, in one of these cases, the man may have fit the profile of an annihilator.

References to suicide is misguided. Hanging is the most common method but guns are generally used by men. Suicide rates over all are steady.There is no connection between the LGR and suicide.

Small connection made here with the registry and a decline in the successful suicide.

As it is right now, doctors see the value of keeping guns from suicidal people and the RCMP in removing guns from the depressed (pg. 131)

Suicides are more fatal than other methods. A study quoted here links suicide with widespread gun ownership.

What I'm not clear on is why we register cars, marriages, births, divorces, retirement savings plans ... why not guns?

Anonymous said...

sharonapple88;

Has the birth registry cost $2,000,000,000+ over the last decade?

Have you ever registered a vehicle, sent in the cheque only to find out months later it was never processed?

Again you site U.S. stats.

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