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I have been a Riding President, Deputy Chair of the Council of Presidents and Candidate.
The last election was a catastrophe. We cannot continue to carry on "business as usual".
If we do we won't have a Party -- we must allow full and open debate by the members and this means decisions must be made following an informed and thoughtful process.
Voting to make unspecified changes to the Constitution in a convention taking place online is not a good start.
A delay in the Leadership race if it can be done properly and to a fixed date may make sense. But we cannot vote on such things in a vacuum.
I urge everyone to do all they can to be a delegate -- the above e-mail will let you do that.
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If we vote no, does that mean the leader is chosen in October? Doesn't seem like enough time
I am not sure -- I think it may well be possible to have the Leadership later -- constitutionally. But what I really want to see is the proposed amendments -- we are rushing to vote on that we do not know -- maybe they are good but we haven't seen them ...
Wow...must suck to be a Liberal these days. Some serious introspection is needed. Good luck.
What puzzles me is how you didn't recognize the profound problems within the Lib party before you agreed (and were nominated) to be a candidate.
You seemed content with "business as usual" before and even during the election.
You seem to minimize adscam and the profound lack of credibility the party has had west of Ontario for decades now.
There was also a lack of recognition of the disconnect between the Lib party and rural Canada.
The last election was a catastrophe but it was predictable; At least by anyone paying attention.
I think it may well be possible to have the Leadership later -- constitutionally
But how, James? I don't see how that could work. I agree the process has been flawed and we need for information on what a yes vote would mean. But let's also be clear what voting no would mean: a leadership vote in October. I don't see how a no vote could possibly lead to anything else.
As sheila would say:
With respect to short leadership races of 4-5 months, that was the norm until 1990. We used to call it the convention that wouldn't die. St. Laurent resigned after the June '57 election and Pearson was chosen in mid-January 58 (less than 6 mos). Pearson resigned in Mid-December '67 and was replaced by Trudeau in early April '68 (about 4 mos). Trudeau resigned famously at the end of a leap year February and Turner was elected on June 16th in 1984 (3.5 mos).
And as Jeff would say those were all delegated conventions, and also races where much was decided in the backroom corridors of power -- we've moved to WOMOV and are trying to lessen the backroom dealings. That said, arguing for a short race is perfectly legitimate. But saying we can vote no and still delay the leadership without saying how exactly, not so much.
Anon,
In hindsight there were some real problems but the truth is, it's easier to see in hindsight. I don;t see Adscam as being much of an issue in this last election -- certainly G20/G8 overtook it -- but there were other problems. And that's why we need a real consideration of what to do.
As for the Leadership timing perhaps the only way to delay is an amendment -- but I am awaiting to see the text of the amendments and any delay must be very very clear. Constitutions exist for a reason and while amending them is perfectly proper they should not be amended just to suit short term issues -- they are constating documents and should only be amended where necessary.
61 Types of conventions
(1) Subject to this Constitution, the convention of the Party is the highest authority of the
Party.
(2) Except if rescheduled in accordance with Subsection 65(4), the Party must hold a
biennial convention of the Party at least once in every two calendar years and not
more than 30 months after the previous biennial convention of the Party.
(3) At any time except within six months of a biennial convention of the Party, the Party
may hold an extraordinary convention to deal with any issues of extraordinary
importance.
Biennial is supposed to be no later than Dec. 17, one day earlier than the sixth months noted above, making the June 18 meeting illegit.
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